“It’s strange talking about these works because they’re more about a haptic experience than an intellectual one. It’s difficult to verbally convey the experience of intimately coming to know an object or material over a long period of time by handling it or repeating a physical process or set of actions. I think it has something to do with the space inside them. You can’t see it, and I don’t know what it is, it’s unaccountable. When looking at them I’m aware that I’m looking through a hole punch, and I like the bog-standard ordinariness to it. When I first showed them, I went back to have look at them and saw a spider crawl out of one of the holes; it made sense to me.”